• Evkob
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    20 days ago

    I’ve tried searching for “person-independent neopronouns” and failed to find any results.

    Care to explain how this is different than referring to one’s self in the third person? Because I’ll be honest, I have a hard time wrapping my head around this.

    My respect isn’t conditional to my understanding, but I feel I could respect better if I understood more.

    • PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      My interpretation here is the first person (I), second person (you), and third person (he/she/they) pronouns are disregarded and are all represented by the neopronoun “drag”.

      I.e. use drag whenever you reference dragonfucker and you’re golden.

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        20 days ago

        That makes sense, but what is the material difference? Isn’t it ultimately the same thing by a different name?

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          20 days ago

          Material difference of specific pronouns? Someone feels better, and I’m out no extra effort, I guess…

          It’s as much difference as personal preference in chocolate bar brands.

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            20 days ago

            I totally get respecting specific pronouns, no confusion there.

            I don’t see how the scenario presented in OP is different from wanting to be referred to in the third person.

            • PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              20 days ago

              Ah! Effectively none.

              Which does bring up an unusual case: how should drag be referred to as part of a group? They and drag? Or would just they suffice?

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                20 days ago

                Some degree of identity erasure is inherent with mass pronouns; interesting question!

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzOP
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                20 days ago

                They. It’s the same as if you refer to a group of people with a man in it. The “he” is discarded. Drag doesn’t use plural independent pronouns.

                • jerkface
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                  19 days ago

                  Okay but why not use the already gender-free pronouns I and you? That’s got nothing to do with being trans, does it?

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        20 days ago

        If you just one for one swap you run into weird grammar.

        What do drag want to do?

        Is that right or…?

        • Rain World: Slugcat Game@lemmy.world
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          20 days ago

          same with swapping in ‘they’! i think most pronouns are singular, only ‘they’ is plural due to legacy junk, see:

          • what does he want to do?
          • what does drag want to do?
          • what does the cat want to do?
          • what do they want to do?
          • what do the cats want to do?

          perhaps we should move towards singular they, eg ‘what does they want to do?’