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    Your science teacher was wrong, unfortunately. In Classical Latin, datum is pronounced as [ˈd̪ät̪ʊ̃ˑ] “dah-too(m)” and likewise data as [ˈd̪äːt̪ä] [ˈd̪ät̪ä] “dah-tah.”

    Not that Latin should really have a say in how we speak English anyhow.

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      and likewise data as [ˈd̪äːt̪ä] “dah-tah.”

      More like [ˈd̪ät̪ä], no long vowel. There’s also some disagreements if short /a/ was [ä] or [ɐ], given the symmetry with /e i o u/ as [ɛ ɪ ɔ ʊ]. (I can go deeper on this if anyone wants.)

      Another thing that people don’t often realise, when they say “you should pronounce it like in Latin!”, is that Latin /d t/ were different from English/German /d t/. They were considerably less aspirated, and as your transcription shows they were dental.

      That’s just details though. Your core point (Latin didn’t use a diphthong in this word) is 100% correct.

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        More like [ˈd̪ät̪ä], no long vowel.

        That’s my B, I was looking at Ecclesiastical Latin for that one :3

        Interesting points though, thanks for the elaboration. Shows the layers of silliness that is depending upon other languages for the way we pronounce words.