• kent_eh
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    2 months ago

    I think the fundamental issue with this is that it presumes that our understanding of morality is perfect.

    By that measure, all religions have the fundamental issue of presuming that they have any actual knowledge or understanding of their god(s).

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      2 months ago

      But not all religions claim to have perfect knowledge of their god? Some acknowledge that god is greater and beyond our understanding

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        2 months ago

        Conveniently, they claim to know what their god wants when they’re telling you want to do, but also claim not to understand their gods ways when challenged on parts of their faith.

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          2 months ago

          I mean yeah, that is the point. A higher being told you to do X, you understood X exactly as it is a concept that you already have built upon in the course of your life. But you still cannot comprehend the higher being itself.

          Take a simple thought experiment from flatland. If a spherical (3D) being were to appear on an otherwise 2D (flatland) world and say “Do not go to your house tonight”. The flatlander can understand the meaning of what the sphere said, but cannot comprehend the sphere itself in its entirety. No matter how the sphere explains himself to the flatlander, the flatlander may not have the correct picture of the sphere.

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        2 months ago

        My point is that none of it makes sense. Our existence and consciousness in a vast universe doesn’t make sense. So at the end of the day, who cares what someone else believes to cope with that? Bad shit happens, people will explain it was for one purpose or another, but at the end of the day bad shit just happens and we should do our best to stop it, regardless of whos fault it is.

        It’s so weird. Athiests claim to not believe in a god but then blame a god for when bad things happen, asking believers why their god would let it happen. Why do they care about what an imaginary god lets happen? Some sick fuck murdered a bunch of people, who gives a flying fuck what some random religon’s god says about it?

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          2 months ago

          So at the end of the day, who cares what someone else believes to cope with that?

          I care as soon as religion causes suffering. Which was and still is the case. (Sorry, have to say it again.)

          but at the end of the day bad shit just happens and we should do our best to stop it, regardless of whos fault it is.

          Agreed.

          Athiests claim to not believe in a god but then blame a god for when bad things happen

          Personally, I can imagine that’s frustration coming from people who may have been raised in a religious household. But I can’t speak for all. Haven’t heard from such a phenomenon though.

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          2 months ago

          who cares what someone else believes to cope with that?

          I start caring then those “coping mechanisms” begin to be imposed on people who aren’t members of that religion.