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  • If the government spills this persons blood on the street, what do you get? The only thing that happens is that the punishment for fraud is now death.

    For this single case in an isolated vacuum, sure.

    Outside that you’d get no more fraud, and no more future fraud victims, because the punishment for it wouldn’t be worth the risk for anyone to try.
    Like I said, if the punishment for a parking violation was death, every single driver would make damn sure they would never, ever get one. Apply that for every “deliberate” crime and you end up with a society with essentially zero crime.
    Also a lot fewer people alive, but zero crime.

    Where the line goes is completely up to the justice system, how badly they want to prevent that type of crime, as it goes with every crime and punishment.


  • How does putting someone in jail or having them pay a fine to the government help “make the victims whole” any more than the death sentence would? If that was the point of the justice system, we would only have payments of wealth or services from criminals to victims and nothing else. In fact, I can think of quite a few crimes where the victims would love nothing more than the permission get to kill the criminal themselves in the most painful way possible.

    The number one priority of a justice system is to prevent crimes from happening in the first place - a task it has to constantly balance with freedom and human rights as the ultimate solution is to get rid of all criminals - and the more it wants to prevent a certain type of crime, the harsher the punishment for it should be. But as I said, usually the death penalty is used for crimes done by people who aren’t thinking about the consequences.

    If you use it as the threat for financial crime, soon you will have no more victims of financial crime, as the criminals are all either dead or too afraid to do it.

    Should it be used, for that or in the first place, that’s a completely different argument all together.


  • It doesn’t act as a deterrent due to the crimes it’s used as a punishment for - no punishment stops a mentally Ill serial killer, someone in mindless rage acting on impulse, or someone who is certain they will never get caught. The studies all agree with that.

    But if you would get sentences to life in prison or death from a parking violation or not paying your taxes, there would be zero people doing them as both are conscious actions, and definitely not worth the risk.










  • It wasn’t a fine, it was compensation to the victim for the pain and medical costs she was caused, which don’t exactly change depending on how rich the perpetrator is. If Elon Musk kicks you in the shin and breaks it, it hurts and costs just as much as if it was done by a homeless person.

    He should have also gotten a hefty fine and jail time as a punishment for the crime he committed though, but this was a civil case, not a criminal one for some - probably Irish - reason.