Fan of breaking echo chambers by being devils advocate. Other than that, centrist. As in in USA I’d be considered left.

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    5 days ago
    1. Katyń, for the most obvious example. And yeah, day and night - deportation, work camps, beatings. I absolve neither side of crime, and I definitely see Nazis as worse, but they were both murdering poles left and right. And the Polish goverment fought for Poland while hiding, cooperated with other goverments, tried it’s damn hardest to get Poland back - what are you talking about?
    2. Except for Soviet Starvation of 46’. Also shortages of food and weird politic of exporting more grain than was deemed possible was still under USSR. And I can’t care less about US.
    3. I lack sources I can point you out to. This is mostly something you hear concrete examples for from your family when you grow up. It’s, however, failure on my part for lacking any resources I can point to. WIll have to search for them when I have time.

    I admit I had to learn more about USSR during our convo. And however much I hate admitting this, it would me insincere of me to not admit USSR had more sensible politics internally than I thought when it comes to food. They were, however, still insanely brutal and sadistic regime while dealing with anything comparable to opposition to their goals. So yeah, thanks for broadening my horizons, but please never state USSR was in any way or form good guys. They massacred, murdered, invigilated and abused, not unlike Nazis, at least in Poland.





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    1. Checked with my friend and checked few other sources on this. Friend, who studied history, knew about these - other articles also mention that such tries were held, and the Nazi hate towards communists is known to me, however the reason why it failed is different for each point of reference I have so I am unsure what to make out of it. Still, learned something new. Thanks.

    2. Western Powers did, in fact, take offense. But it was too little, and Poland fell quicker than anticipated. Also, Polish goverment didn’t collapse so wtf are you talking about - it went into hiding but was still very much active. And it’s kinda hard not to see Soviets as aggressors when they also attacked and massacred Polish side and were comfy enough to, after “freeing” land on their way to Warsaw, just sit outside it and wait for Nazis to do their cleanses. -.-

    3. Feeding those who need it? That’s why people died of hunger under USSR? Yeah, in Russia they took care about theirs. Every country other than Russia was, however, at best ignored, at worst plundered. And yeah, there were stores - famously empty stores. I heard about them from my family members, about the lines, waiting whole day, about exchanging goods for favors among people. Also, I am not from US and trust me, I am not seeing them as paragon of virtue either.

    4. People were incentivised to basically snitch on each other for any and all hints of not following what the “glorious” USSR wanted. So it was common that people used them to go higher in standing or get what they wanted. Especially folk who liked the newfound power that USSR granted them over their neighbours.

    5. I know they hated each other and never said otherwise. But they cooperated to fuck everyone else. Only after Nazis attacked USSR, did USSR move against Nazis.




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    What in the everlasting embrace of god. Soviets, who - I’ll admit - simply chose to work people to death painted as the good guys? The same soviets that starved, beaten and let people freeze to death? The same that put people in cattle wagons and rode them out to syberia in nothing more than clothes they had on their backs?




  • What nuance. Thanks to the time I can spend writing a message, I can commit to adding the details in readable format, and this data stays for reference. Whether it’s instruction, some info or a question.

    During call, I am scrambling to answer ASAP - like a lot of folk I know, and seemingly a lot of commenters here - so you get partial, jumbled up answer.

    Calls are okay when asking about preference - something you can answer from the get go - if you want some information, use message.