For a ‘healthy’ individuals. I figure if 3 shots is better than 2 shots, does that mean 4 shots is better than 3 shots?

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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You might be healthy, but you shouldnt think only about yourself. Pharma companies made record profits from vaccination programs (for which governments spent billions of euros of tax money). If people stop getting vaccinated, the profits will fall, and stock value will decrease. It could even be the trigger for an economic crisis.

So you should definitely get more booster shots, and tell others to do the same. I hope this simple economic argument can convince some of those egoistic anti-vaxers.

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Pharma companies made record profits from vaccination programs

Vaccinations are one of the least profitable pharmaceuticals. It’s not uncommon for medication for chronic diseases to cost hundreds of dollars per month if not more.

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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And how many of those medications are sold per year? Probably not a lot. In comparison, there were hundreds of millions of Covid vaccinations sold over the past year. Iirc each one costs about 10-20€ based on leaks. So you can calculate how much money they earned.

@sexy_peach@feddit.de
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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations

I say there was a fine dollar to earn from medications for covid patients.

@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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Coronavirus cases: 326 million (many of those mild, or happened during first wave) Vaccines: 9.630 million doses globally

So they are completely different orders of magnitude.

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@nutomic@lemmy.ml
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Porn is against the rules. Remove the link and dont post anything like that again or I will ban you.

@morrowind@lemmy.ml
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I’m not an ati-vaxxer but that argument would discourage me from getting vaccinated, knowing big pharma is making profit from it.

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That’s his point. It’s thinly disguised anti-vax nonsense with an anti-capitalist twist.

@upvotebot1@lemmy.ml
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Injecting yourself with 4 experimental vaccines in the span of two years each containing preservatives directly into your blood stream can only benefit society. Big Pharma can not possibly fund the studies that say infinite boosters will be needed to avoid cold like symptoms the rest of your life. No one profits. All money spent is deposited into poor peoples bank accounts. This has been fact checked by fact checkers not funded by those with moderna stock.

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directly into your blood stream

mRNA vaccines (I guess that are to ones you are talking about) are not injected directly into the bloodstream. Please at least try to get your bullshit straight.

@chiefstorm@lemmy.ml
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can you elaborate on what “preservatives” are?

I understand and appreciate the skepticism to vaccines, I am genuinely curious to know the precise problem they cause though?

Do they make people autistic?

removed?

gay?

@upvotebot1@lemmy.ml
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Definitely removed

Here is a few in the flu vaccine.

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Have you ever considered that this is currently the best answer we have to a global pandemic instead of the best one? I’m sure they know that this isn’t the best answer either.

It’s what we got so it’s what we work with. It’s better than people dropping like flies.

They aren’t experimental vaccines, mRNA has been studied for about 20 years. They’re just now putting it to use.

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Have you ever considered exercise. Diet, sunshine , healthy social relationships to be more effective than triple dossing medicine that objectively doesn’t work?

Average death us age 85. You don’t need the vaccine at all. Maybe if you are disgustingly obese but even then, lose some weight that will be more effective.

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My cousin (older generation, so middle aged) got COVID-19 before the vaccine came out. She spent three weeks in bed and experienced lingering symptoms for months after. She was in great shape, a competitive swimmer. Being healthy will help, but plenty of athletes have been put flat on their back.

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@sexy_peach@feddit.de
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What about other vaccines, what do you think about them?

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I don’t remember one where people thought they might need 4 in less than two years. So those seem to work better than these idk though not a scientist.

@sexy_peach@feddit.de
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I also don’t remember any like that.

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Because it doesn’t work. It’d a fakeciine

Note that none if this is medical advice. The jury is still out on how long covid immunity actually lasts, but we do know that it definitely isn’t lifetime immunity like some other diseases. So I suspect that getting more boosters later on would be helpful, but probably not very soon after you already had one. That is, if the vaccine formulation is unchanged. If they release a new version that better defends against the new variants, then obviously that would have immediate benefits.

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My understanding was also that the immunity itself was fading and the booster acts as sort of a reminder. A double booster spaced closely together wouldn’t really serve any purpose. The immunity is already back to full strength.

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@sexy_peach@feddit.de
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Yeah pretty much this

@sketches@lemmy.ml
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Take advice from doctors, not the internet, and most definitely not Lemmy.

@upvotebot5@lemmy.ml
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No you fucking doosche

No

@Helix@feddit.de
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Probably only about 5-6 months after your 3rd.

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Disclaimer: this is not professional medical advice.

That said, my dad is a doctor. And we discuss this stuff a fair lot. To understand this, let me make clear what vaccines do, in one line. They stimulate body’s immune system, and create antibodies for the first line of defense. The second line of defense is B and T cells, which work differently, based on your diet (the multivitamin side treatment is to supplement this line of defense).

This is not merely personal observation. The basic rule is to allow body to fight as much as it can, with minimal supplementation. The more drug reliance, the weaker your body is in fighting. There has to be a level of moderation with how many doses you should take. And I do not think there is anyone, except those that have to sell you the drug/vaccine, that think hooking yourself up with vaccines/drugs every few months is going to make your body resilient on its own.

There is one more point I want to make. There will come one day, when you will be exposed to COVID. I am sure a lot of people have already encountered one of the strains by now, unless they do not participate in society and live in the woods. Even with the vaccine, you have to fight it out atleast once in your life. What about then? Will you want to fight it out with a weak immune system, heavily reliant on the 4th or 5th booster dose? Or will you want to have some natural immunity developed as part of the herd?

We can ponder over these thoughts. I have received two doses of Covaxin in India and have recovered from Omicron variant as well.

@Jeffrey@lemmy.ml
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This is not correct.

MYTH: The natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination.

FACT: Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

Emerging evidence shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine after you recover from COVID-19 infection provides added protection to your immune system. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/prepare-for-vaccination.html

@factchecker@lemmy.ml
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fact check

Myth

Vaccines provide immunity as good or better than natural immunity

Verdict

False

Here are the facts

Study after study has shown natural immunity to be superior , longer lasting and more resistant to new variants than vaccination.

More than 100 studies all show the same thing. This of course should be obvious to anyone as the vaccine only targets the spike protein whereas natural immunity targets all parts of the virus.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210915/Natural-SARS-CoV-2-infection-induces-more-durable-immunity-than-vaccination.aspx

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Study after study has shown natural immunity to be superior , longer lasting and more resistant to new variants than vaccination.

Let’s say that’s true (and that one paper is not conclusive proof). That still means going through COVID-19 with all of its hazards for short term and long term health effects. Vaccines might put you down for a day, but that’s about it. That means it’s more practical to have a couple of boosters per year if necessary.

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Tell that to the thousands who have died due to the experimental covid vaccines as seen in the vaers database

@pingveno@lemmy.ml
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Not this whopper again. The VAERS database is a surveillance database with unverified reports. Anyone who is affected by anything after having taken the vaccine can get in there. That allows public health officials to quickly recognize patterns that affect tiny portions of the population. But what they are looking for is numbers that are unusual. There are a certain amount of deaths that you expect in a population, so just counting up deaths in the database and saying “Ah ha! Thousands of deaths!” is incredibly misguided. There simply is no demonstration of causality.

@mekhos@lemmy.ml
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‘There simply is no demonstration of causality.’

Oh if only that would be an obstacle for antivaxers ;)

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They’re going to repeat this lie again and again because they don’t have anything better.

@upvotebot1@lemmy.ml
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Oh yeah the sudden huge spikes in death means nothing. Geez you people.

@pingveno@lemmy.ml
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Around 200 million people have been vaccinated, with those numbers skewed towards older and otherwise medically vulnerable people. I would be suspicious if there weren’t a few thousand deaths.

Gritty
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So then who’s facts are fact-facts?

@factchecker@lemmy.ml
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Obviously mine because I am the official Lemmy fact checker. Just look at my name. You cannot deny the fact that fact checker is literally in my name.

@sexy_peach@feddit.de
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worst troll ever, but thanks for the entertainment and activity on lemmy

@abbenm@lemmy.ml
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I’d love to know if IP addresses can be checked to see if they’re the same as one of the other accounts in this thread

Probably are. Anti VAXers are all Granny murderers

Gritty
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Lol good one. I mean, how official are you then? What are your qualifications over anyone else on the internet?

Not shit talking Here, just playing devil’s advocate for the sake of argument that everyone has their own facts.

@upvotebot1@lemmy.ml
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He is as official as every other fact checker I can tell you that for sure.

@mekhos@lemmy.ml
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Omg username-power works, I just upvoted you

@upvotebot1@lemmy.ml
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Thanks. I believe in you.

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