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Are there reliable numbers how many Russians left since February? I just read rumors that it is already in the millions. This year might be the biggest population loss Russia ever had.

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And the brain drain just goes on…

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Love how this account exists for the sole purpose of spamming NATO propaganda. 😂

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@basiliscos@lemmy.ml
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Have you got any proof this information here is propaganda?

What is the original source of the number 260k ? If it is “undisclosed source” (Kremlin’s security services) - that is non-proveable, as the other source can tell 1M or 5M ). So, it is propaganda (does not matter natos or russian) unless it tells some official person, which has access to that information.

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" is now full of people leaving"

is not the number. You cannot jump from “qualitative statement” to “quantitative statement”, because “full of people leaving” might vary from several hours of staying on the borders (hundrets) … to tens of thousands. The numbers from Georgian/Mongolian/Belarussian officials, of couse, will likely be around true numbers, but they are missing too (in the article).

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Instead of numbers we have satellite pictures: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-fearing-conscription-flood-border-georgia-mongolia-rcna49487

It is actually drone videos, not satelites’ pictures. Anyway, they are qualitative, althought numbers from THAT video can be calculated.

Finland’s border control released these statistics yesterday: https://twitter.com/rajavartijat/status/1574376900256055296. So far it’s about 3000 Russians not returning per day.

Seems to be ok.

Of course I can try to check the actual numbers from several countries (if the actual and correct statistics are available), and that is something everyone can do :)

That’s the main problem. It is not your not mine job of doing that. It is the original post journallist fucking job to that, i.e. gather numbers from officials and do own checks, and present them to readers! Instead the source feeds their readers with the arbitrary drawn number out of anywere; the number look OK in some reasable borders, but the “reasonable borders” it is quite vague notion, which vary from 10k to 1M.

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Not to mention you label every news that doesn’t favor Russia as a NATO propaganda

can’t upvote enough

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I post and comment on a wide variety of topics, and I only post about the conflict when there are actual confirmed developments happening.Your post history is literally just trolling about this one subject.

The figure your “source” quotes is completely unverifiable and your webcam footage doesn’t give much of an idea of how many people are actually leaving.

To be sure some people will leave, but this idea that there’s some mass exodus from Russia because of the mobilization that you’re trying to paint has no basis in reality. That’s what makes it propaganda.

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The figure your source quotes is unverifiable as lots of other people in this thread explained to you. You are spreading rumors about the war. This is literally the entire history of your account on this site.

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You posted a rumor.

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And filled that with other statistics and information because as I myself said, the number in the story cannot be verified.

No, you filled it with more anecdotal stories to make it sound legitimate. I know you love posting your camera from the Finnish border as some sort of evidence there without providing any actual numbers. Why don’t you post the regular numbers of travellers to and from Finland and then the difference in new travellers instead.

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Where’s your proof all this is just “normal” and there’s nothing to see?

Where’s my proof of something I never actually said?

Here’s what I literally wrote:

To be sure some people will leave, but this idea that there’s some mass exodus from Russia because of the mobilization that you’re trying to paint has no basis in reality.

I’m not questioning that there are people leaving Russia because of the mobilization. I’m saying that you’re using made up numbers that are unverifiable to paint a narrative.

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The narrative these numbers paint is that a tiny percentage of the overall population is leaving Russia. Certainly pales in comparison with the exodus we saw from Ukraine at the start of the war.

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LMAO

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The fact that you think you made a good argument there is what makes it so hilarious. It almost feels like you’re spewing bullshit without even realizing it.

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People were fleeing conscription in Ukraine. The fact that you keep pretending otherwise is absolutely hilarious. Logic doesn’t even begin to factor into your ravings. Keep trying there little buddy. Can’t wait for you to come up with more bullshit.

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Over 12 million people left Ukraine, that’s over a quarter of the population.

Seems it’s quite hard to admit being wrong. I totally understand. There’s no arguments left. 😂

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Except you’d be lying, which I suppose is all you do here, if you said that. A quarter of Russian population has very obviously not left Russia. Out of the quarter of the population that left Ukraine, it’s obvious that huge numbers of military aged men left.

The fact that you don’t see just how dumb you sound here is pure gold. If your bullshit could be converted into energy, you could power all of Europe with it. 😂

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Imagine arguing with a straight face that 10 million people who fled Ukraine are 90% women and children, and then accusing me of being incapable of doing basic math. 🤡

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Maybe provide these breakdowns yourself first. Show me where you’re breaking down people “fleeing service” in Russia vs people simply leaving the country. You simply provided total numbers of Russians who left, which is around 150k. I provided numbers of Ukrainians who left which is around 12 million.

You’re such an utter 🤡 and you don’t even realize it.

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You provided no sources that provide anything other than total numbers of people moving, just like the source I provided you with. Love how you keep trying to argue that this is somehow different. And yes, you absolutely can compare people fleeing fighting with you claiming people are fleeing service. The fact that you don’t understand that really says a lot about you.

So tell me, how many people are fled from Ukraine to avoid conscription and have not returned?

How many out of the 12 million that fled returned, I’m not aware of anyone returning. But I’m sure you’ll provide me with credible sources showing that people are returning to Ukraine to fight. 🤡

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I’ve provided exactly the same kinds of numbers you’ve provided. Keep on trolling there though.

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lol… gtfo nato troll

Russians are fleeing, like Siberian birds, in the flocks, rubillions of Russians everyday, they just flee, there is no end. It is like a great revolutionary march. I can feel the communism flowing through Europeans already. Soon, Europeans will say in unison, Slava Rossiya!

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Sourceless post as always, and since the admin(s) seem to love nato propaganda I’m not going to speak more to avoid to be tone policed

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Bruh they’re so biased they doubt of their own sources

Novaya Gazeta. Europe’s source in the Presidential Administration doubts the authenticity of FSB’s data, seeing as FSB’s border service has never “worked this quickly before”. According to the source, back in spring [the officials] relied more on the data received from phone operators, which comes in much later.

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That’s how good reporting works.

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The numbers do matter in the case, becase even if 2 persons are fleeing the country, it is enough to state “The news itself that people are fleeing the country”, right?

PS. Russian-language source referring Khazakhstan officials, there are around 34k left the Khazakhstan border in the last week (98k in, 64k out).

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