I love lemmy so much more.

Not to mention reddit banned me lol but for some reason it felt like a weight was lifted.

Why do you think lemmy hasn’t ‘gotten up there’ yet like reddit?

The only thing that makes me sad about lemmy, is there arnt many posts.

Unless I’m filtering wrong.

Do you guys have any lemmy sub/community suggestions?

What do you think of lemmy?

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  1. Reddit is a private company founded in 2005, valued at $1.8 billion dollars and employing around 350 people. Lemmy was founded two years ago and is run with relatuvely little funding (I would say approximately two paid employees and a dozen or so volunteers, distributed around different instances). That’s not comparable. At all.

  2. Most people aren’t banned from reddit. Your personal experience is rare. If someone isn’t banned from the biggest platform, they need a motivation to leave. Why would they leave? I know why YOU would leave, but why would THEY leave?

  3. Most people coming here, not all but most, are doing it because they were banned from reddit. As a result, they just try to recreate reddit here, instead of making something better, a better culture or a higher quality of community. Lemmy is treated by the majority as a ‘free speech reddit’ and nothing more.

  4. Strong political bias in the popular communities may be distasteful to the majority of people who would use a reddit-like site, who tend to be pro-capitalist liberals.

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We’d love to be able to start a proper open-source programming collective, with the ability to hire more programmers than just the two of us to add features and make lemmy better, but the money just isn’t there. Its difficult to compete with a multi-billion dollar company that’s able to pay high salaries and mobilize hundreds of skilled programmers ( even tho I still am veryy proud of what we’ve been able to do with our limited time, and all the contributions people have made to lemmy ).

Its not a specific problem for us either, all open source projects need more funding than theyre currently getting to thrive. Twitch streamers make more money than open source devs, its a pretty sad state of affairs.

IMO pretty much the only reason reddit is beating us, is the first-mover advantage. I noticed a long time ago that adding more features doesn’t improve the lemmyverse’s user count. Its only when reddit alienates certain groups, that we see large influxes of users and new instances. Otherwise people are happy to stay on reddit, because that’s where communities already are.

/r/piracy is probably the next big community that could migrate to lemmy. Reddit keeps banning then unbanning piracy-related communities, and file-sharers will see that their position is precarious there. /r/privacy should move to lemmy, the reddit redesign is a bloated mess of spyware.

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I agree, the first mover advantage is huge. These are social sites, merely being a “better” product isn’t enough (but I do think it’s necessary).

I suppose an advantage for us of reddit’s position (that is, bound foremost by venture capital and profit, and therefore to reputation and popularity) is that we will inevitably see more entire communities alienated and cast out, and Lemmy is demonstrably already in a position to catch them, as we’ve seen with /r/GenZedong, /r/ChapoTrapHouse (hexbear) and /r/chodi (bakchodi). Like you said, /r/piracy is basically an inevitability, or even a gateway (if they said something like “If you want to share links, visit /c/piracy”). I wonder if it’s worth keeping a watch-list of places at risk, or places that might want to come for cultural reasons like /r/privacy or /r/foss (EDIT: I also wonder if the gateway strategy could be useful for political subreddits if there are boundaries they can’t cross due to site rules despite the subreddit moderators being fine with it)

In that case, it seems ironing out all the major usability bugs for newcomers is the best strategy rather than adding new features.

Just going to tell you that r/privacy, r/PrivacyGuides, r/opensource are largely politically agenda controlled subreddits by Americans and other Westerners, that often downplay the harms of Big Tech and CIA, and prop up and fearmonger and actively encourage hate against China/Russia. You can see top posts from the past 2 days about Beijing stealing and creating dossiers of data on every single American adult, for starters.

They will never come, and if they do, they must never come here. Growth of Lemmy at the expense of grifters is the worst kind of growth, no matter the desperation.

Hey I know you have “drama” with them but the PrivacyGuides community is solely centered around the concept of technical privacy, non-contextualized, and is agnostic to every other topuc. They’ve criticized (if not attacked) many FOSS projects but only from the lens of privacy and so I would understand their sometimes odd behavior. That being said, it would be unbiased of you to accuse them with such conspiracy theories.

On the other hand, I’m perplexed by the fact that they prominently use the spyware crap that Reddit is for communications.

I disagree, from years of experience. It is not personal beef, and I have documented their behaviour as a 4 year record. They have stolen thousands of dollars of donations which constitutes as an international crime, and they have repeatedly recommended Brave (while taking Brave Rewards) and even Apple to people.

donations are not theft lol 😄

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Lemmy doesn’t cover nearly as many broad topics as reddit does. Its built up its userbase over the last 15 years and a lot of people will continue using it for another 15 years even with their stupid fucking new reddit design (that has been around for what, five years? Not really new anymore) Maybe one day they’ll finally nuke old.reddit.com and that will be the final straw for many users. Their userbase is so big that they can go on banning long time users like you and me and it won’t really affect the company’s bottom line.

Also I think Lemmy should allow for video uploads like v.redd.it. I know the devs want to keep vids on peertube but AFAIK there’s really no integration and I have seen very few actual peertube links here. The ability to upload short vids would be a good feature IMO.

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You can already upload videos on Lemmy. There are some problems which mean the experience isnt ideal, but those should be relatively easy to fix.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2318

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Ooh cool

Exactly. Some obscure subreddits have more users than entire lemmy instances (if not all of them combined)

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People like to say they dont use Lemmy because its mostly tech stuff, however there’s way more content and discussion of tech stuffon r/homelab and r/selfhosted.

These days its hard to attract new users to websitesbecause a lot of them got sucked into Instagram, tiktok and other stupid apps that seem to be winning over the youth of today.

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What are lemmy instances can you send me some?

Crash course in digital decentralization!

Basically Lemmy is the social platform right? These are maintained in servers, but here’s the catch: anyone can run lemmy on their own homeserver!

You and I are right now conversing on https://www.lemmy.ml but this is only one instance. Each instance is basically its own platform but uses the lemmy source code, each has its own rules, communities and moderators.

Here’s a list of instances you can sign up to (right now you have a lemmy.ml account)

But not only that, here’s the wilder part: those instances federate with each other! This means you can communicate with people from other instances without leaving yours. This is why you occasionally see here people with usernames that end with “@lemmygrad.ml” or “@beehaw.org” and etc.

Here are the instances that lemmy.ml federates with.

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To put a name to this, network effects. It’s the name for the effect where a product gets better when it gains more users, growing pains aside. It’s extremely common among social media platforms.

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Reddit cannabilised internet forums that were awkward to use and you had to sign up for each and every single one. It centralised the internet forum into something more convenient. Convenience tends to beat other things when it comes to internet platforms.

Lemmy is on-par in terms of technical convenience but does not have the convenience of the vast amount of communities and content that exists on reddit. It can not simply cannibalise obviously less-convenient platforms like reddit did.

Lemmy’s best hope for growth as a platform is initially to focus on things that can not and do not exist elsewhere that people have a very clear desire to consume as a community. Many banned reddit communities can’t exist in the liberal centralised social media platforms but can exist in Lemmy’s decentralised state. Piracy is very likely going to get pushed off the mainstream platforms eventually and will move to Lemmy. There are a number of other banned communities that also exist in a space that has been shunned by liberal sensibilities but would could exist on an edgier platform. These are the most likely sources of early adopter growth.

As time goes on and early adoption starts to move into other phases, the quantity of users will enable the existence of communities that compete with more mainstream topics. This will then drive up the convenience level of the platform and bring it into parity with reddit.

At that point it will start to take on an organic direction of its own.

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I would love it if more /r/piracy communities moved here, or started their own instances. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a push for that, because of the all the benefits.

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There are other communities that are suitable to lemmy as well that exist in a weird legal zone, places that I’m sure reddit used to love because they bring in audiences that are usually not the typical reddit audience but then eventually felt pressure to close. /r/shoplifting was one such place. It was exactly what you think, a shoplifting community. The content there was discussion about the topic, it was populated by both shoplifters and by “loss prevention officers” as they liked to call themselves. Both sides would discuss the topic while shoplifters would post images of their successfully pulled off hordes.

This kind of thing is the kind of thing that can not exist anywhere else online but is also not going to attract fascists. Another person here rightfully criticises the danger of becoming “free speech reddit” which is what Voat became, I agree with them. It attracts the wrong crowd and that crowd is not a platform for growth.

The platform should focus on targeting the kinds of communities that genuinely can’t exist anywhere else online, use these as the “early adopter” crowd, then start hitting network-effect where this crowd of people can actually start being the population of more mainstream communities simply because they also want to share and discuss that content with each other. At that point the platform will be past the danger zone and into one where it takes on a life of its own.

I genuinely think that “edgy” is a necessary component of this early strategy. The kinds of topics and communities that have been edged out of the mainstream are fundamentally going to be edgy and making sure that the platform has the right tolerance level for that. Officially and vocally support and encourage it initially then phase out that support at a later date.

Once a decent community has built up all kinds of federation-wide things become possible. Large community events, secret santa used to be wildly popular on reddit until it got too big to run it anymore, they used to take official part in promoting protests and activist causes too. Not saying anything needs to be directly copied but building a proper picture of the growth model that was used is a good idea. There are many phases to growth and each phase is quite different by necessity.

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unless you are using an app, the user interface is quite terrible. Reddit has good previews, we can see the post, we can see the link and much more. lemmy is basically reddit in it’s infancy and I feel like they are not even trying to make it better. So heck, who cares. I want this website to have more people but it is what it is.

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I do want to devote more time to lemmy-ui, because I agree it could be better. I do need to know of specific issues with it tho, so I can improve it.

I’d rather be working on the android app I made tho for lemmy, jerboa, because kotlin as a language is hundreds of times easier to use than typescript.

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hello, will send the issues someday as I am quite busy right now. I think you need to make this site profitable first for yourself. Maybe nerdy advertisers would pay a buck or two to advertise. Generate money hire more people would be my suggestion.

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Definitely never gonna have ads, or paid features, we’ll only ever be donation funded. But there might be better ways to structure that.

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I like Lemmy, but Reddit does have a lot of momentum, and unless there’s a huge controversy or a significant portion of the community is displeased enough to seriously look into alternative, I don’t see Lemmy catch up with Reddit. But that can be a good thing too, as a small community is usually more tight-knitted.

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it’s a niche product that doesn’t provide any advantage to the average user compared to reddit and can’t make up for the critical mass reddit has.

It’s just another case of hackerism without a strategy that goes beyond “we make a tool, we hope eventually somebody will use it”

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I kind of like Lemmy how it is. My experience is once things get too big then you start getting a large amount of silly people with even sillier opinions that they need to jam down your throat. Lemmy reminds me of the old days of the internet when you needed a certain level of technical “know how” to get on. Once the internet in general became easy for all, then we got groups of village idiots making it suck.

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Mostly the same problems as I discussed here: https://nrsk.no/post/27990/comment/7188

Unfortunately after spending around a month in the Lemmyverse my experience is that Lemmy’s biggest problem is toxic users. They rather send people away from the lemmyverse instead of directing them to a suitable server. It seems there’s a lot of ideological harassment.

Porn, hentai, edgy gamers, fascists, China/Russia/communism hate flourishes there. Liberals and conservatives, capitalists, Starbucks and iPhone worshippers are there. Reddit’s userbase is 50% USA, 30% West EU, 10% East and rest of Europe, and the other 10% is rest of world.

Lemmy will never win such a race to the bottom. It should not.

You can already see those hideous racists onto other Lemmy instances like beehaw and sopuli, and onto Lemmy.ml that hate Lemmygrad with a passion.

There is no lack of Western edgy kids on internet that have Twitterati and PornHub type of brains. They just want to sip their CocaCola and munch on their lard burgers and fries and shitpost on the internet, in their dimly lit modern day caves with Marvel or anime women posters.

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I’ll start posting more hentai just for you

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Ew no lol

Make sure to post quickly!

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Hey when we post comments why does it post it twice?

Lemmy will never win such a race to the bottom. It should not.

Perhaps so. We sometimes get blinded by the desire to expand indefinitely, but I’m content with the current activity on lemmy and the slow yet sure growth.

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O guessed I just want to interact more with ppl in the comments of posts

For some reason I am downvoted, but I think I told truth about a lot of snowflakes. And I do not care.

Why did I say the above sentences? Because it is tied into this desire of expansion, of popularity, of needing and seeking internet validation. It is a disgusting parasite like phenomenon that latches onto every possible part of society, the desire to “capitalise” on everything and anything. They say to want to see Lemmy become a consumption platform, but why?

People do not learn.

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For some reason I am downvoted, but I think I told truth about a lot of snowflakes.

You lumped together fascists, liberals, conservatives, and other groups. You’re lumping together a wide variety of people, many of whom mutually despise each other. So yeah, you’re going to get a few downvotes from people that are offended at the comparison.

It’s like lumping together Nazi Germany and the USSR. They both had authoritarian governments and the Nazis were National Socialists. Surely they were practically the same, no?

Yes I lumped them together because that is what the Reddit userbase consists of. Yes I do not care about people that are pissed. Their downvotes change nothing. This is not Reddit karma rat race. This is Lemmy.

It’s like lumping together Nazi Germany and the USSR. They both had authoritarian governments and the Nazis were National Socialists

Why do you come to defend fascism everytime, pingveno? Do you love Hitler’s grift or something? Or do you intentionally try to hide the fact that Hitler created the Natsoc/Nazi label to get votes from working class and differentiate themselves from monarchist conservatives? Because in reality fascists were always opposite of socialists. The correct term is Nationalist Fascist, or NatFash.

National Socialism is an incorrect word used by NatFashes for obvious purposes, even though national socialism is an oxymoron created by morons.

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National Socialism is an incorrect word used by NatFashes for obvious purposes, even though national socialism is an oxymoron created by morons.

Thank you for proving my point about people not liking to be tossed in a bag with other groups that they despise.

Actually I never proved your point, you failed at reading comprehension and basic understanding. I elaborated on Reddit userbase, not your strawmanning and twisting drama.

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I don’t want lemmy to be like that what I’m trying to say is, there is not much discussion. And there’s so few ppl, there arnt many posts to interact with

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Ha ha true

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those hideous racists

You’re serious? Let me laugh a lot harder.

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