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    6 months ago

    “We will never forget the images emerging from Rafah tonight. Human beings, including babies, were burned alive and torn apart. This genocide must end, it must end now,” said one group.

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      Yea, but you failed to answer the question.
      At which point did Joe call up the pilots and pass grid coords to drop the bombs?

      But blame where it belongs.

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        Biden didn’t order this, but he had to know that giving money to Israel would cause this. If he didn’t, he’s a complete fool. We hope this will provoke Biden to declare war on Israel and order destruction of military targets belonging to the IDF, but it probably won’t, and if it doesn’t, well that’s hypocrisy.

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          If only diplomacy was that straightforward…

          Israel doesn’t need the money in order to keep doing what they’re doing. USA needs a middle eastern ally more than Israel needs the USA.

          Ukraine, however, would collapse if it weren’t for the money USA is providing (allowing with many other countries).

          This bill that was signed to send money to Israel also provided money to Ukraine. You would not get one without the other.

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            USA needs a middle eastern ally more than Israel needs the USA.

            Not at all. Israel has been a liability for US policies not a bonus. Israeli actions undermined US efforts in Iraq and undermined US-Iranian diplomacy. The US defending Israel has generated ill will worldwide, undermined US rhetoric and soft power, and made the US the source of terrorist attacks. What have we gotten from it? Does Israel help in Iraq or Afghanistan wars? Does it vote the way we want at the UN? No and no.

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          Something between ‘supplying the bombs used for genocide’ and ‘declaring war on Israel’ would be just right

          edit: a surprising amount of disagreement with this comment

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          Yea, but you failed to answer the question. At which point did Joe call up the pilots and pass grid coords to drop the bombs?

          But blame where it belongs.

          Mental gymnastics to try to justify genocide? New lows of lemmy

          Bizarre.

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            After years of not being successful with the hunter biden story trumpists are probably celebrating with how easy it is to turn people away from biden by just throwing shit about the Israel war at him to make it look as if he’s somehow responsible for it…

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              From the party that brought you “Moving the American Embassy Israel” and “assassinating a high ranking Iranian official” comes “Blame Joe Biden for everything”

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                From the party that brought you “we wish we could do something but the republicans won’t let us” comes “the republicans are worse, so what we’re doing is the best you’re going to get.”

                Maybe we need another four years of Trump. Either way, fuck em, I’m not voting.

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                  6-3 republicans advantage in the Supreme Court (thanks to people like you for helping trump to win in 2016). 51-49 senate majority that republicans can easily filibuster anything from the democrats. Even if not, the house is with Republicans and recent gerrymandering has made it way more difficult for democrats to hold the house.

                  But you’re right, democrats are not being held back by republicans… Why not do [insert mythical strategy here]? It worked [never]!

                  I think part of the problem with democrats is that the party can more easily depend on middle ground/conservative voters than they can depend on liberals actually voting for them.

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                  Maybe we need another four years of Trump

                  I’m used to hearing this from your kind, just not so mask-off.

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                  I prefer to think of it as “buying time to actually fix shit” because it’s easier to patch up small holes than huge holes that are constantly getting larger

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              As long as Joe is the bad guy to them congress and the media can use that as cover to do whatever they want

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          The fact you think anyone in this thread is justifying a genocide paints a clear picture that you aren’t here to discuss in good faith.

          This a sockpuppet account for .ml or hexbear?

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          “who committed this crime?”

          “You’ll never get me, with your mEnTaL gYmNaStIcS!!!1”

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      “Said one group.” That language is suspiciously vague. Do you know what group said that quote?