Wait so are you like…proud that you don’t read or something?

Theory without praxis is useless, but without theory action is directionless and futile. With no understanding of the systems in place, how can you dismantle those systems or create a replacement? All that’s left is reacting to the specific circumstances with no greater framework to understanding those circumstances and why they came about. Reactionary through and through.

I think I’ve always been very open to anarchists who have the same goal of abolition of the capitalist and imperial state, but I struggle to see the merits in embracing a meme stereotype of willful ignorance and choosing not to educate yourself. Any organizational successes brought about by anarchists were accomplished with a firm grounding in theory.

There are a few anarchist bookstores locally that have a great selection on mutual aid, anti-imperialism, and police abolition, all integral to a true understanding of how anarchist action could actually better the community. It’s not just some nebulous aesthetic choice or a joke online about how you hate the state, it’s a commitment to mutual liberation that requires an understanding of the systems in play that prevent that.

@NormieGirl is kind of our archivist, for those like me who don’t dare to go on the other instance :D
I think the post is self-deprecating and for entertainment purpose, but you have interesting takes nevertheless.

To me reading too much theory can also be counter-productive, so it’s like you said, Theory without praxis is useless. And I like to read books, booklets, or articles, that tell of real experiences, which can then become part of our theory and help us see how we can organize ourselves, and how we might fail.

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Makes sense

I’m memeing a bit more than you think

not read much theory

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Imagine being proud of not doing the reading. Could not be me. Socialism seems damn fine to me.

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For you, what are the most important theory books that people should read ? (serious question)

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My AnCom Reading List

Intros to Theory, Organizing, and the History of Social and Workers Movements

I tried to put these in order so they build off of one another.

Intros to Critiquing Postmodern Liberal Culture

(More or less “bonus” content, but still important)

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Depends on who we’re talking to. For Anarchists, On Authority by Friedrich Engels since it provides a useful argument in favor of less decentralization. The principles of decentralization and anarchism are good, but I’d argue that dogmatically pursuing only decentralization isn’t necessarily productive. State and Revolution by Vladimir Lenin is another good one in this case.

For propagandized Western anti-communists, Principles of Communism by Friedrich Engels is useful since it shatters many of the myths and more generally describes communism.

For baby leftists: State and Revolution by Vladimir Lenin, What is to be Done by Vladimir Lenin, etc.

For burgeoning leftists, Capital by Karl Marx, “Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State,” by Friedrich Engels etc.

Edit: Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti is excellent for all leftists and Anarchists as well since it does such a good job of setting the historical and materialist context to previous and current attempts at socialism.

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Could you provide the author’s names so that it’s easier to find exactly which book you’re talking about ? Some titles are not unique references I think.
I might look for some of these.

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Sure. I’ll edit the original and list them here, too:

  • Capital by Karl Marx
  • On Authority by Friedrich Engels
  • Principles of Communism by Friedrich Engels
  • Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State by Friedrich Engels
  • Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti
  • State and Revolution by Vladimir Lenin
  • What is to be Done by Vladimir Lenin
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Thanks for the effort.
“Blackshirts and Reds” by Michael Parenti is the kind of readings I was looking for to go deeper on the subject of “Siege Socialism”. And it’s available here : https://archive.org/details/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds/page/n7/mode/2up

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I actually suggest the state and revolution more than on authority. State and Rev is far more specific

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Yeah, I think you’re right here, and I’ll make recommendations accordingly in the future.

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I am not exactly the most gigachad here, just a little baby leftist who tries to learn with time and with people, but Hakim on YouTube has some very good starter videos on books you can read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdwD7zwEpZw

Below, you can see @TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml and @BlackLotus@lemmy.ml have put up a whole thesis for it (that requires reading, lol).

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Hakim is great, good rec.

I don’t think I’m a socialist, but we can agree on reading.

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yeah, i get all my theory from deranged comments in /r/196 threads 😎

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OH MY GOD THERE IS SOME BULLSHIT ON CHINA IN HERE WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SMARTER THAN THIS!

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I am convinced you’re a Tankie trying to give Anarchists a bad name.

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lol, blaming tankies for this is hilarious.

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I don’t get this meme… why is Winnie the Pooh promoting his own book to an Anarchist? It is just an unrealistic children’s story 😏

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I don’t think comments like this are very useful. I have no idea what you’re trying to say in this comment besides expressing a general dislike of Xi Jinping (at least that’s who I assume the person in the meme is), but if you want to criticize him you should criticize things he did rather than his appearance or whatever.

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Oh but mentioning Winnie the Pooh in relation to Xi is very much critizising what he did. He abused his near dictatorial powers to suppress and censor this meme about him in China. Really shows what a small and petty mind he really is… and then he has the gall to write his own book of banalities and make that compulsory education 🤮

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oh shit I thought you were okay. What the fuck is wrong with you, you have the dialectical abilities of a high school liberal!

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Source on him using his supposed “dictatorial powers” to suppress and censor this meme?

Source on it being compulsory education?

Incredulous claims require sources to be taken seriously.

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Hard to give sources when it is censored in China and you will claim all non-chinese sources are western propaganda.

But here is an article by a Hong Kong newspaper about his book being made compulsory school education: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2116504/brains-chinas-children-xi-jinpings-thought-become

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Could you perhaps please specifically cite the actions he took to suppress this meme? I’ll tolerate the lack of sources for now because if the actions you cite are the ones I suspect you’re going to cite, I probably won’t need sources.

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Cool, so this supports that it’s being integrated into the curriculum, but I’m not seeing any mention that it’s mandatory. Thanks for adding that source, though, it definitely illuminates some detail.

So do you have any on it being “mandatory” and “his dictatorial powers” or were those assumptions you made?

If, for example, I integrate a chemistry book into the chemistry curriculum, it’s only “mandatory” if it’s a required class and only for the category of people for which that class is required. So if this is being integrated into college Marxism courses, it’s only mandatory for people who are required to take those Marxism courses.

That might be everyone - I’m not saying it definitely isn’t, but just because it’s integrated into the curriculum does not provide evidence that it’s mandatory.

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honestly who cares if its mandatory? Marxism should be mandatory, I don’t care if the libs whine about it.

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For sure, I honestly wouldn’t care, but showcasing that there aren’t reliable sources making these claims helps to dispell the Western myths about AES.

Imagine if I complained every time my Western education forced me to read some stupid propaganda. It’d be a lot more problematic than something like The Governance of China by Xi Jinping.

Stuff like 1984 and Animal Farm, literal garbage written by George Orwell, the traitor so dumb that he effectively spied for British intelligence. Nonsense like “States’ Rights” as an explanation for the US Civil War.

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Exactly! I don’t get why teaching something like Marxism Leninism to be mandatory would be a bad thing. If it was up to me, I would have it mandatory for every single school year, right next to math and science.

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The problem is not that they are teaching Marxism, but rather that Xi is so full of himself that he thinks his banal writing about Marxism is worth being enshrined in the Chinese constitution and taught mandatorily.

Proof me wrong by showing me some serious Marxists who think Xi’s banal writings (full of nationalism and regressive Confucianism) is adding anything worthwhile to the Marxist body of thought.

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first show me evidence of “Regressive Confucianism” in the writings of Xi Jingping. And I would mention the 90 million members of the CPC, but idk if you would take their words.

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For someone stanning Xi, you know surprisingly little about his “thought”. Read it yourself and you will see all the regressive Confucianism in it. Or if you (like most MLs) can’t read between the lines, do a simple Google search…

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No fucking way am I using western media for knowledge on china. I need specific evidence that Xi’s thought is being pushed as the only mandatory reading in the “forced” marxist curriculum.

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I never claimed it was the “only” mandatory reading. Anyways, I hope you follow through and actually read his “thought”, because you will likely understand that I am right after reading it.

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I do not qualify his works as reading I need to do for a very long time

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So now you are the one refusing to read up on the theory… funny.

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I never ever stated I wanted to read his works

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So then don’t claim that I am wrong about it. Seriously, I am not going to spoonfeed you with Xi’s stupidities.

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I never said you were wrong, I wanted sources on how you were right, which you have not done

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Literally the book itself is the source. Go read it :p

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My son is reading Xi’s book in his politics classes. All children in his age group (at least in the province of Hubei, the only place I have direct knowledge of) are doing the same. Because it is mandatory, as was Hu Jintao’s stuff as was Jiang Zemin’s stuff as was …

This is a loooooooooooooooooong established tradition in the PRC, beginning with Chairman Mao. I’m kind of shocked that there’s anybody denying this tradition.

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To be clear, I mean no offense here, but I have no clue who you are nor any reason to trust your anecdotal experience. You might full well be telling me the truth, but it hardly qualifies as evidence sufficient for the claims being made.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, though, you must understand that we are so heavily propagandized here in the West, that literally nothing we hear about the anti-imperialist parts of the world is trustworthy. Unless it’s good. We can be pretty confident that anything they say about China that’s good is true, but any responsible analysis of the Western media requires a close eye.

As the thread elsewhere stated, we still don’t even have a problem with the works being mandatory, but the fact is that the sources provided simply do not remotely prove the claims. Especially the “dictatorial power” nonsense that’s just patently untrue. That’s not how the CPC works. It wasn’t how the CCCP worked in the USSR either, and the West always claimed the USSR worked with “dictatorial power.”

Admittedly, Stalin had additional powers during WW2, but in order to defeat the Nazis, that seemed like a necessary and justifiable step. FDR also had additional powers during WW2, and he trampled all over the rights of innocent Japanese people living in the US, for example, putting them in concentration camps by another name, internment camps.

Personally, I’d love to have a book from the owners of JPMorgan Chase and such that explained what they’re trying to do with the current rendition of capitalism. I bet it would be hilariously contradictory. At least in socialism people can set reliable plans in motion that persist and don’t wander every 4 years from one calamity into another.

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I am “boots on the ground”. I am neither Chinese state media, nor am I western media. I am a resident of China, however. Believe me or not: it turns out reality doesn’t generally give a fuck in whether you believe in it or not.

Xi’s book is mandatory. Full stop. You can go off pretending it is or isn’t and it won’t change the reality of it. So you be you, Boo. You be you. Reality will continue being, you know, real.

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Xi’s book is mandatory.

How do you feel about this?

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I genuinely don’t give a shit.

Jiang’s incoherent “三个代表” drivel was mandatory. Chinese students from senior middle school all the way through university had to memorize it and regurgitate it in their politics classes. It’s had zero impact on the way people think.

Hu’s “科学发展观” and “社会主义荣辱观” were also mandatory and his eight honours and eight shames positively festooned school (and other) walls around the country. Again, nobody was meaningfully influenced by this.

The same will happen with Xi’s “习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想”. It will go the same way: something that’s recited to pass exams before the single most durable Chinese political philosophy (predating anything from the CPC and likely to be alive another thousand years hence) holds sway in real-world matters: “天高皇帝远”.

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Ok, you’re still just one anecdotal source and therefore it proves nothing.

Even if it did, none of this proves the original OP’s claims that it is Xi’s dictatorial powers that caused it.

It also wouldn’t prove it’s true throughout the entire country.

But feel free to keep jacking yourself off over having some anecdotal claims and expecting anyone to take it as if it’s reliable information to extrapolate throughout the country.

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You be you, Boo. You be you. So edgy! So independent a thinker! I’m so impressed!

Are you like 12 years old? You definitely act like it.

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My god that is pathetic

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Is insolence towards great leaders only fun when it’s about Western countries?
It still baffles me on Lemmy how forgiving people are with tyrans, when they label themselves socialists. Really, if we need to find arguments against Xi Jinping, we’re lacking the basics…

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I didn’t meant it like that. I guess I just meant that this comment should have been phrased like “I wish Lemmygrad users would stop worshipping Xi Jinping” rather than repeating the same old joke. I wouldn’t like it if someone made fun of Donald Trump for having orange skin either.

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Oh OK, I agree then. Sorry I overreacted.

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The joke is not about him looking like Winnie the Pooh (anymore), but about him being so small minded about it that he mobilized the state censoring apparatus against this meme. It really can’t get any more childish than that and he deserves any ridicule he gets about that.

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then call him a child instead of using these kinds of jokes. This isn’t fucking reddit

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Probably because calling Xi Jinping a tyrant is entirely un-Marxist. And I assume this is at least a Anarchocommunist community that agrees in some part with marxism and not some bourgeois ancap subreddit.

You’re obviously allowed to critique anyone you want, but calling him a tyrant is just laughably dogmatic. For all its flaws, the CPC’s leadership over the State does not operate that way.

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Probably because calling Xi Jinping a tyrant is entirely un-Marxist. For all its flaws, the CPC’s leadership over the State does not operate that way.

Well then Tyrant is probably not the most accurate word to describe this authoritarian regime. If it’s not Xi himself, it’s the whole CPC that is a nightmare for the workers and ethnic minorities.
Please don’t call CPC socialism, or “marxism” on here. We’re not ancap, we care for the workers (and the Uyghurs too).

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Wait, do you actually think this? I thought you were joking!

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They are absolutely an attempt at socialism. To be clear, no one is saying criticism is unacceptable. To deny them as being socialist is just dogmatic. They’re no more authoritarian than any Western country anyway.

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I think he’s a beekeeper trying to get some anarkiddie into an MLM called books. But I don’t get it either.

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