I currently use Manjaro as my daily driver, but it is bloatware to be honest. I want to switch to more minimalist distro so i ended up thinking on Void. So any advice? How is package manager? Community? Softwares? Documentation?

@pinknoise@lemmy.ml
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So any advice?

The Documentation/Book on the website is super useful for people new to void. (The software recommendations below are all included there too) The new grub should be able to decrypt luks2, so the “full disk” encryption guide is outdated. (I didn’t try it out though, if I had, I’d also updated the guide) You probably don’t want the musl version for a Desktop system since it breaks in subtle ways, for a (simple) server it’s feasible imo.

How is package manager?

Fast.

Softwares?

Connman is easier (simpler) than network manager. Metalog lets you easily sort syslog by perl-regex. (Can be used to build alerting scripts) Elogind if you need logind replacement.

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Thank you for your info^^

@Helix@feddit.de
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I currently use Manjaro as my daily driver, but it is bloatware to be honest. I want to switch to more minimalist distro so i ended up thinking on Void.

Why not switch to Arch? It’s basically Manjaro but less shit.

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I want to get away from systemd. I tried artix linux for a while but being multi init system, makes it complicate for setting packages for every inits system. I think void will be best exp for me.

@Helix@feddit.de
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I want to get away from systemd

Why?

Linux Bey
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Thats because its bloatware, and i just need a init system for start my pc, also its dictated by Redhat. Same reason for i hate Ubuntu because Cannonical behind it, and behind of systemd is Redhat.They bind rest projects to themselves.(gnome has dependency to systemd) We shouldnt let Companies to be game keeper in Foss world. Thats my opinion.

@Kelp@lemmy.ml
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The entire Linux kernel is constantly contributed to by companies. So I guess you should hate Linux then.

Linux Bey
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being contributing and being developing by are two different things.They contributing because they use it on their own server.Linux has dominated server world so its understandable.

@Kelp@lemmy.ml
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They do develop Linux. Not just financial contribution

This was some years ago but I used Void as my only OS for almost a year. It was amazing. I manage to customize an i3wm environment, everything was minimalistic, and everyone who looked at my laptop screen said to me “Wow, that looks like ur hacking the NASA”

The package manager was ok. And everything runs smoothly. I miss that old times, right now i can’t spend that much time on customization.

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Thanks for sharing your exp. I decided to move to Void. It will take time to figure out but anyway ill get along with it.

Ur welcome. I hope it goes well for you.

@brombek@lemmy.ml
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I use it on my work PC and on VPSes. You can deeply understand the boot process in just few hours of reading the man pages, scripts and even the source code of runit (there is not much of it!) which is very empowering for an advanced user/admin. XBPS is very fast and lean, making your own packages is easy and the templates for that are clean, the process is well documented. Updates are safe to run and having it rolling means that you can avoid doing large migrations; software is fresh and security updates are prompt. People on IRC are helpful and nice. For documentation the basics are on the website, everything else is already documented on Gentoo and Arch wikis anyway. So if you have some skills and want to be in control of your own computing experience there is no better distro than Void Linux IMHO.

Linux Bey
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Oh, thank you for sharing your experiement, my most fear is to break my system after updates.

@linkert@lemmy.ml
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Can’t get enough of Void.

I install it using this method on my laptop but I go for glibc over musl. Post install I setup sway, PipeWire and what not and have a good time.

Package manager rocks, I don’t think I miss anything from the repos.

Awesome community around the distro. The fact that they have official documentation is great.

I don’t do anything productive on my machine. Procrastination all the way <3

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What is differences between musl and glibc? Do i miss something if i go musl over glibc?

GlibC is more ‘boated’ but will give you more support for applications than musl. For example, you can’t run appimages with GlibC. There isn’t much of a difference though. I personally use musl with no problems.

Linux Bey
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Oh thanks for info, ill go for glibc for desktop then.

@linkert@lemmy.ml
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How come I run appimages with glibc then? ;)

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Oh shit, I meant to say that you can’t run appimages with Musl.

@Epsilon@lemmy.ml
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I use Void on my laptop (Thinkpad T420) and I am mostly enjoying it so far. The package manager is pretty nice and quick though can be annoying at first having to use seperate programs to install, search, and remove packages though using vpm has made that easier. Using Runit instead of SystemD is weird at first but nice in the end as it’s a lot simpler. Overall I mostly enjoy it and may use it on my desktop if my Arch partition dies.

@Anachron@lemmy.ml
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May I suggest to read https://docs.voidlinux.org/xbps/index.html instead? vpm is a nice wrapper and all, but I highly suggest to get familiar with xbps before using a wrapper to understand how it works and why.

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Thank you :)

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just got into void after having been an arch user for a while and wanted to see if i would miss it. so far, so good. pretty similar experience to arch, but i don’t really do anything other than rice and code. as someone else mentioned, the package manager is sort of weird if you come from pacman, but i’ve got some aliases set up to help me out with that. xbps-install -Su is a mouthfull imo. the point is i’m kinda easy to please. as long as i have my hardened firefox, vim, and a pretty desktop, i’m happy tbh.

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i’ve been seeing more and more docs for how to do things with void which leads me to believe there’s some other curious people doing things with it but honestly, arch users are so prevalent i think i’m gonna miss being able to troubleshoot as easily as i was. come enter the void!

Linux Bey
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Ill definitely try Void soon.

@Anachron@lemmy.ml
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I use it on my laptop, RPI 3B+ and my VPS.

Good package manager, active community (helpful but you need to do a lot of digging yourself), has a lot of software packaged, the documentation is however quite lacking.

If you know what you do and what you want, Void can be a good distro for you. I can recommend it for advanced users.

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Im not newbie. But not pro as well.Ill hang out in virtual box for a while to get know it.

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I use it on my laptop too and have used on a desktop comp for a while. I’ve only done it with i3 or lxde as the desktop environment, so don’t know if it has all the ease-of-use features of Xfce, Gnome or KDE work, but it’s worked great for me. I want to keep Xfce Manjaro on my strongest computer, for the widest range of installable programs and things that just work - the bloat is still less and the design better than say Windows or Ubuntu, but for every other computer Void is now my favourite. Xbps does have a wide of software. It works well like another pacman. My void computers boot fast, faster than my strong computer. I worry less that it will one day have a boot error. Runit has a nice clean comandline interface for managing services like systemd and hasn’t fumbled a daemon yet. It makes me wonder what trouble systemd is saving me. Though I usually leave the daemons alone either way. For community and docs, I don’t know so much. I have used the wiki, which worked for me. Just checking now I see they’ve deprecated it in favour of other docs they’re offering. Luke Smith on Youtube got me into void. He has a good intro to xpbs. I haven’t yet had it stop booting because of an update that requires me to reconfigure stuff. TLDR: yes, it’s fast and beatiful and at least pretty stable and useful

@deschutron@lemmy.ml
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Sorry, I have to correct myself:

I have 2 laptops and I used Manjaro with LXDE on the stronger one. I wanted to be ready to collaborate on any open source project and be able install all the required tools, so I went for the Arch-based thing I was most familiar with.

But void and Manjaro work so similarly for me that it’s easy for me to forget.

Linux Bey
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Thank you for sharing your exp:))

@blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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Manjaro isn’t bloated.

Linux Bey
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I am disagree with you.

@blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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What does bloated mean to you? What is the harm in having extra packages installed, if you don’t use them?

@pinknoise@lemmy.ml
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What is the harm in having extra packages installed, if you don’t use them?

Wasted disk space and bigger attack surface.

@blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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Disk space is the only factor. There’s no bigger attack surface you don’t use the packages.

@pinknoise@lemmy.ml
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They could have privilege escalation bugs or help hiding and/or running unwanted code.

@blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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That’s a good point. I’d argue however that if you’re running malicious, unprivileged code on your desktop computer, you’re pretty much screwed regardless, since you likely use sudo frequently and it could just keylog your password. But there are certainly some security downsides to having too many packages installed.

@pinknoise@lemmy.ml
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Yeah, if you don’t have proper sandboxing and use sudo or similiar getting root on a desktop probably isn’t that hard.

if you’re running malicious, unprivileged code on your desktop computer, you’re pretty much screwed regardless

Maybe someone should tell browser developers :D

Linux Bey
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If u have less storage or less ram, bloats effects your system very visibly.For ex manjaro gnome eats 1gb when you open your pc.

@blank_sl8@lemmy.ml
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That’s Gnome, not Manjaro. If I recall, the main Manjaro distribution is based on XFCE. If you care so much about bloating, why would you intentionally choose gnome, which is widely known to be heavy weight?

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